Michelle Lynne 0:02
Welcome to design for the creative mind, a podcast for interior designers and creative entrepreneurs to run their business with purpose, efficiency and passion. Because, well, every design is different, the process should remain the same. Prepare yourself for some good conversations with amazing guests, a dash of Jesus and a touch of the woowoo. And probably a swear word or two. If you're ready to stop trading your time for money, and enjoy your interior design business, you are in the right place. I'm your host, Michelle Lynn. Hello, everybody. Welcome back to the podcast. As usual, I'm excited that you're here. Because today we have Meg Castel. She is the founder of love at first search. I met Meg, when I needed some SEO work done. So she has an agency that is devoted to helping online businesses get found in search results like Google, YouTube, iTunes, and so forth. And one ematic special superpowers is turning readers into leads, subscribers sales, whatever the case may be. So without further ado, Mike, thank you so much for being here. It is my pleasure. I'm super excited, it's good to see you. Again, it's been a little while since we've been connected. I
Mike 1:26
know we work together so deeply for so long. And then it kind of parted ways. And then we just hopped on and had to catch up on all the life things that were like 20 minutes into this call and just got started.
Michelle Lynne 1:40
That's the beauty when you can just pick up where you left off, and just get the quick updates. And so I'm so excited to share you with the audience, though. Because I really, really just love everything that we achieved in Gosh, how long? How long? Were we working together? So it's over a year? I think so yeah. So Meg was helping me with my ml interiors Group website, because I really fizzled out getting a lot of leads through there. And she you figured out what was broken and how we got it fixed. And just a lot of those little details with the app, but not necessarily broken. But what I wasn't wasn't doing, I needed to get my booty back into it. So that was really, really helpful.
Mike 2:25
So,
Michelle Lynne 2:26
Meg, how did you get started in SEO? And for those of you who don't know what SEO is its search engine optimization, which is the I don't know, the back side, the inside of your website? Yeah. So
Mike 2:41
search engine optimization is setting up your website so that it looks really good to Google and other search, search engines like Bing, or Yahoo or anywhere that is looking through these websites and in a meaningful way. And also, you know, creating content in a specific way so that it looks really good to, you know, audio search engines like Apple podcasts or Stitcher or Spotify making sure it shows up in those search results. And also YouTube is the second biggest search engine on the planet. It's owned by Google. So video search is also really something that I love doing that do together. Michelle, we might have to circle back to that. Yeah, we can definitely talk about that after the fact. So how did I get started with this? I started I started my business in 2013. As a web designer, I at the time, was leaving a job at an architecture and interior design firm where I worked with Kelly firstline. In real life, one of your most recent this. Yeah, I was looking back through the list of your recent guests. And I was like, Oh, I went to her wedding.
Michelle Lynne 3:44
No, I know what a small world that's such as well. The interior design
Mike 3:47
world's pretty small. So I was working. I was the marketing director at the firm, Kelly was designer at the firm. I got pregnant and I looked at the cost of my salary and my income. And I looked at what it costs to pay for childcare. And I went, Hmm, that might not work. I don't know if I want to do that eight to six day and not see my child and spend 50% of my income paying someone else to watch them. So we decided at that point that I would take those design skills, graphic design, web design, interior design skills, and put them to use working with small businesses. And I tapped into my network and I got to know other people. Actually, Kelly sent me a couple leaves early on that helped me find portfolio. I know. Wow,
Michelle Lynne 4:35
that is amazing. I don't think I knew that about you. Although Do you remember saying you were when you were having your child that's when you decided to leave and bring everything home. But what uh, that's so funny. So you went from the actual web design. So you went from the pretty pictures to the actual technical aspects behind those pretty pictures. Yeah. Why? I was
Mike 4:57
working with a variety of client Hands, all small businesses, many of them were online. And they were hiring me to do the branding and the logo and some of the copywriting and getting the images up and getting the website live. And, you know, the social media graphics and those things that you expect from a web designer. And then we would launch the websites. And they're like, Well, this is beautiful. But where's my traffic? Yeah, well, we didn't put that in the scope. We didn't do that. And I felt like shit, because I was like, Why didn't why they didn't tell me they needed that. But I should have known that, as the web designer should have known. I should have given them them those results, like it was implied. But it wasn't specifically stated, you know,
Michelle Lynne 5:42
right. And we don't know what we don't know, as small business owners. I never knew there was a difference between the pretty website and the search engine.
Mike 5:51
So I reached out to a couple of my friends who were also web designers. And I'm like, how do you guys find time to keep up with the design trends to understand the CSS and the code and all the things that go into designing a website, and also do the SEO to do the keyword research to understand what Google is looking for to make sure the speed load the you know, the website loads quickly, that kind of stuff, right? And then my friends were like, we struggled with it, too. Sometimes we outsource it, but we don't really have a good person to outsource it to. And that, to me, was that moment of a leap, or it was like, well, I could be that person for you. Yeah, I weirdly, enjoy some of the research that goes into it that most creatives shy away from because they feel like oh, god spreadsheets, right? I love your spreadsheet. And I came up with systems to make them visual and to make them make sense to people. And to come up with plans that don't require you to get, you know, mired in the spreadsheets. And I found that that was a lot more satisfying to me, because it was a tangible result that I could track and measure. I could say, you know, this website had 10 visitors a day, and I was able to get it up to 30 visitors a day. And this website had one lead a month, and I was able to get it up to five leads a month, and just being able to see that return on investment for my clients to be able to track not just oh, they have a website, and it is pretty. But what does that mean for the business owner? was such a huge change for me. Absolutely.
Michelle Lynne 7:25
And that's where the money's made. Yes. I mean, so many designers get stuck on the fact that their portfolio isn't expansive, or what or that they don't have the best level of photography. But at the end of the day, it's just like, if you're not getting any eyeballs on it, it doesn't matter anyway.
Mike 7:44
Exactly. You know, you gotta get yourself out there, and you got to get in front of a new people. And the great thing about SEO as a discovery method is that the people who are looking for it, they're not browsing, they're not going to Pinterest and scrolling through, they're not, you know, just checking out Insta Stories. They're googling interior design, Dallas, Texas, right, like, much more ready to buy by the time they get to that point, then people who are just kind of scrolling to pass the time.
Michelle Lynne 8:17
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Mike 9:22
Absolutely. So SEO is mostly, let's say mostly about the words on your site. If you do not have words on your site, then Google doesn't have a way of indexing of crawling it of scrolling through it. Google doesn't have a way of accessing information that's just photos. So even if you have especially interior designers have so many gorgeous pictures and then they put the pictures up and all the Google knows is this pictures file name is IMG 2394, right? Like it doesn't mean anything. And so by being really intentional about But the ways that you upload the pictures, you change the file names to say, you know, Dallas dash Texas dash residents, right or something along those lines, when you upload the pictures you include a description of this is a living room in a contemporary home with a white couch and blue wallpaper, right, like just giving the information to that.
Michelle Lynne 10:22
So do you do like living room with white couch contemporary home dot jpg, like no,
Mike 10:27
I would say upload the picture with just the basics in the file name. But then in the alt text, which is what Google is looking at. If you're looking at if you're like in the backend of your website, and you're loading it up, and you just click Edit on any of your pictures, you'll see a little box pop up this is true on like Squarespace or WordPress, you know, Wix, wherever you're using, that will just have a little box that has like description and caption and alt text, the alt text, I mean, Google will look at all of those things. But the alt text is your space to say this is what this is a picture of. To give you some context, the alt text was created for people with visual impairments who are using technology like screen readers to view the websites. And so that image might not load. But instead, the screen reader would say, here's a picture of a white couch in a contemporary living room, right like that way, somebody who isn't able to see the picture knows what's in it, and interval. So they've
Michelle Lynne 11:25
taken that. And that's how it spiders across so many other places, not just the words that you use in your paragraphs on your pages. Yes.
Mike 11:34
And then you can include that information. When you're putting those pictures onto your website, whether it's in a blog post or a portfolio piece, we'll talk about that in just a second. But when you when you upload that image, Google can look through that. And then if somebody is going to Google image search, and they're like white couch against blue wall, that is the image that will show up because Google now knows that it's not just IMG 7293, or whatever numbers that are there is a white couch against a blue ball. And so your images can then be indexed by Google, it can show up in Google search results. And he has that Yeah. And that can happen in your portfolio pieces where people are able to see kind of the the entirety of the project that you're working on, they can see the entire home, or what I was doing a lot with you is pulling out specific things that we wanted to profile. So we were like, Let's talk about kitchen islands. And we'll pull all of the different kitchen islands from the projects that you worked on. And let's talk about kitchen island design. And how do we want to kitchen island? And do you want double? Do you want it to be like you want it to be dark? And then including those same images and linking back through to the full portfolio?
Michelle Lynne 12:44
Right, right. Right. And that was the blog. Those were the blogs that we wrote. Exactly.
Mike 12:47
So getting a chance to see a piece of the puzzle to think about one little piece kitchen lighting was one that you did really well. And I want to wait Crazy, right people were looking for, you know, do you do you want a chandelier? Do you want pendant lights? Do you want this or that? And we had all options? Oh my gosh, so many people with the mixed metals questions.
Michelle Lynne 13:10
I'm impressed with your recollection.
Mike 13:12
It's all trapped in there somewhere over like, Okay, now now that we know that people are looking for mixed metals in the kitchen, let's talk about how to use them throughout the entire house and how to make sure that your kitchen, you know, like creating almost like a path through the story
Michelle Lynne 13:27
is the beauty of working with you is that you actually got the data of the feedback. Whereas oftentimes, like I was just pulling blog topics out of my ear, and
Mike 13:39
wasn't where they were coming from.
Michelle Lynne 13:44
I know I had to edit my my verbiage right there at the end, pulling blog topics out of my ass, and basically just writing them at the last minute to get it done. Because I knew it needed to be done because it kept Google knew that I was still alive on my website. And then you got strategic and came up with, well, what are people looking for? And then we were writing about that. And then okay, how many hits did we get how many people clicked through and we actually saw the fruits of the labor, which is before like I had no idea all of that was me rephrase that. I knew a lot of it was going on behind the scenes, I had no idea how to access it. So that was just like magic.
Mike 14:19
Yeah. And so we were also able to create some stories and telling the tales of the people that you'd worked with in your, in your work together with them with your clients. And then once people landed on your website, we were able to say well, they came in for this piece about mixed metals. And then they went and took a look they clicked from there over to this portfolio piece and from there, they looked at living rooms and then they went to your cost almost
Michelle Lynne 14:44
creepy, how much money can be tracked?
Mike 14:49
Yeah, and I think you know, by knowing that it's not like you're tracking, you know, stello is clicking on it, and then you can reach out to her in a creepy way but just understanding How your clients behave, how the user experience of your website works. What are people interested in? How do they behave once they get there? And when they are actually going and filling out your contact form, whether that's for, you know, one to one services, ie design something along those lines? What was it? That got them interested? Yeah. So
Michelle Lynne 15:18
so how do you get people who visit your website to actually contact you?
Mike 15:22
So the first thing is to tell them to contact you? It seems obvious, but you will be shocked how many websites I go to that have lots and lots of beautiful portfolio pictures, and never actually say, Here's how to book a call with me. Yeah. So and I think
Michelle Lynne 15:39
you even helped me with my call to action at the end of my blogs be a little bit more intentional, because I felt kind of cheesy, but Duff, that's what we're there for.
Mike 15:47
Now, it does feel a little less. Yeah. And it's even harder on a podcast or a YouTube video where you're like, it's a little bit more intimate. And then you're going, Hey, if this is something that you need help with, come click over to my website, you know, like, feel okay, well,
Michelle Lynne 16:02
I'm not gonna feel awkward at the end of this podcast, when I do that, thank you. You're welcome.
Mike 16:06
I was just, I was just watching a YouTube video I was making. And then I was like, if you're struggling with this, go to my website and fill out the contact form, you know, it feels even even a little bit more there. But it's so important that everything that we produce, we remind people, this is how we can work together, if, if you learn something from this, if you liked something in this, right how we can work together.
Michelle Lynne 16:30
And that's what we're doing. We're in business. You know, if you're, if you're running an interior design business, or any business, you choose when you want to give back, and that's charity. Otherwise, this is for your livelihood, and your income. Exactly. And while it's a beautiful service, it's not, it's not rude to ask people to call you, right, and
Mike 16:53
you can even put in some, you know, variety of choices. If you are in the Dallas Fort Worth area, and you want to talk about your home, fill out this form, if you just need a little bit of help come fill out my EA design forum, if you want me ebook, do this, you know, and, and knowing also that, based on what people are searching for, based on what information they already have, the call to action might be slightly different. Right? So if they're on your portfolio, then you might want to say, here's how we can work together. And if they're looking at one of those educational, like how to put wallpaper in your bathroom posts, maybe just try to get them on your email list. Maybe it's not right at that point yet to say, here's how you can spend five, you know, like, maybe it's just like, well, let me let me get some information to you. Let me capture your information, let's start a relationship. Let's start a dialogue here.
Michelle Lynne 17:44
What's that? Yeah. And it's just because you're telling them to call doesn't mean they have to, right?
Mike 17:50
And I think also, you know, setting up a path for them. So they may come in for that, you know, how do you how do you choose wallpaper for your bathroom, kind of write posts, that's more educational. And then give them two or three options of what they want to choose from that page, maybe send them to look at a gallery of of different projects that you've worked on. And if they do that, then say, here's how we can work together or send them to more information about DIY, and just keep them on your site a bit longer. And just keep asking again, for the email. Or suggesting some design services or something that you can do if they're not local to you. You're finding different approaches, but always trying to keep people on the site. So that way they get to know like and trust you by just going deeper.
Michelle Lynne 18:34
Yeah, and just seeing and then it goes back to the words on your page. Because I remember when I was first doing my portfolio pages way back in the day, I just thought that pictures would do the trick. And it's so important that, that Google has the words that run through it so that they can find out what you do. And when you show up and whatnot, I was always my point, when we land the plane. My point is, is that I wanted to leave it as plain as possible, and not necessarily have a lot of words cluttering my website. But it's important that you actually do, it's
Mike 19:11
okay to be a minimalist. It's okay to let the images tell their story. But it is also important to make sure that Google knows what those are images of. Right, you need to have some context. Well,
Michelle Lynne 19:25
that just the services you know that we say interior design needs to say we're based in Dallas like more than once. Yeah,
Mike 19:32
every page. Yeah, and I want that but also like different different phrases for every page too. So not just interior design, Dallas interior design, Dallas interior design Dallas everywhere on that, you know, on those portfolio pages calling out not everyone is in Dallas, so you can be specific and say this person is in this neighborhood. Exactly. I learned a lot about Dallas neighborhoods that I have now completed. Scott, but recognizing that, that people may just search for something like interior design near me, and if they're in University Park, then they might be more likely to have it show up than just generic Dallas Fort Worth region. Right. So and then also, same with your services. Maybe you want to have a one page for residential and another page for commercial and multifamily and another patriot, you know, knowing that every page can be found for a different intention.
Michelle Lynne 20:30
So is that the difference between content and local SEO? Where you're drilling down a little bit more to the actual name of the city? What is what's the difference between the two? Yeah, I
Mike 20:43
think, you know, there's kind of two sides of the same coin, which is that when you are doing a portfolio, there are going to be people from all over the world who just want to come look at how beautiful the work is that you do. Yeah. But then you want to capture those people who are either willing to go virtual, which we wouldn't have been talking about two years
Michelle Lynne 21:01
ago, nearly as much that's for sure. Or
Mike 21:04
you know, making sure to say if you are in this location, and including that on there if you're in the Dallas area and want to talk about this, here's how you can be in touch with me. I
Michelle Lynne 21:14
love that. Okay, good. Good. Good. And again,
Mike 21:17
like you know, dial it's only because people are gonna people are gonna look and you want that traffic you want people to enjoy looking at your work and
Michelle Lynne 21:26
yeah, why house in the Hamptons in the middle of all guests that Dallas is hot. I have this is not exactly. If anybody's listening Let me interrupt myself to take a quick moment to thank set enough insurance agency for sponsoring this episode of The designed for the creative mind podcast, their support and understanding of the interior design, decorating and home staging industries is unrivaled. Satin off understands what our businesses do, and they provide insurance that lets me sleep at night. Yep, this is the firm that I use. And they will do the same for your sleep habits. And your business too. They're more than an insurance agency, they're an extension of my business, they take care of the worry, because they are the experts, which allows me and my team breathing room to do what we do best designed beautiful spaces. You can find their contact information below in the show notes. Give them a call today. So last question. I know that I think that when we were working together, I made it very clear that I am not the person to call if you just want me to find a couch, you know and just finish finish your room like I just need a couch. Can you come and help me with that? Like how do you how do you position yourself as the expert and depending on where you are in business. But as a lot of designers note like finding a couch for an ugly room. And then having the client expect it to be beautiful because you you selected a new couch. Like that's it's not possible and it's just so draining. We might not get a whole house renovation or whatnot, you might not be ready for that in your business. But how do you put how do you set yourself up as an expert or as the trusted authority and not just a personal shopper?
Mike 23:16
Yeah, I think the thinkers that I was trying to say, yeah, no, I love this question. I think the way to do this is to use examples of people that you want to continue to clone and use the words that they would use. So phrases like luxury interior design, whole house interior design, maybe using bathroom, overhaul renovation or something along those lines, as opposed to just saying bathroom remodel, because to me a remodel is let's just replace the toilet whereas a renovation would be much larger in scale and staying away from the words of what you don't want to do. So don't even if you're talking about maybe you're writing a blog post about having multiple options of couches, try not to use the word cheap because then you'll show up for cheap couches.
Michelle Lynne 24:10
Yeah, that's that makes sense because now you're not targeting cheap couches but you're referencing a cheap couch
Mike 24:16
you're referencing cheap couches and people are always going to be looking for cheap or affordable or yeah low costs and if you don't want those people wasting your time by calling you then don't use those words on your website. You know maybe in that case just instead of cheap sight inexpensive because people don't google inexpensive interior designer to do you know but but knowing that even just not like mentioning those words will get you the leads but knowing that you want to be clear about calling in the people that you want. Not creating content for the gawkers
Michelle Lynne 24:50
and I think that's key as well because as uncomfortable as it can be my audience, interior designers and I know this because I was In this mindset at one point, and all the hundreds of people I talked to on a regular basis, we want to serve everybody, quote, unquote, everybody should be able to afford interior design. And I just want to say that's not true. Like, not everybody can afford it. So inexpensive interior design, you're almost going against the luxury service that we that we offer. So there's havenly. And like the other e design companies that offer, I don't know, what is it like $79 a room model, because they're making money off of selling the furniture at, you know, ridiculous prices. So don't be afraid to position yourself as a luxury service, I think is my point. I think also knowing
Mike 25:42
what your goal is with your website. If you want to be the next HGTV star, you want to be Emily Henderson, you want to have the magazine, you want to have the books you want to be Joanna Gaines, then yeah, create the content for people who want to do it themselves. And maybe you want to start down selling some digital products to help people figure this out. And maybe that's part of your plan, because you want to grow the Empire and you want to be the household name. And to do that you have to reach a larger audience. So know what that will take. But also know that if you were to start and Emily Henderson type of business right now, you are going to have to write every single day for the next five years to get traction. Know what you need to do going into it know what your goal is coming out of it is if you need to have 100,000 people on your email list in order to go get the publishing deal that you want, then you're gonna have to put in a lot of work on the front end to grow that audience, you're not going to be able to do that with a once a month blog post a newsletter, you are going to become a machine of content. The interior designers that are doing this are bloggers who know interior design, they're not offering interior design services anymore.
Michelle Lynne 26:55
Well, you just crushed my dreams mag sorry. Just kidding,
Unknown Speaker 27:00
I ruined everything.
Michelle Lynne 27:04
The darling lifestyle brand did goddess, but
Mike 27:08
recognize the models, you know, so think about it this way, you can be an influencer, or you can be an expert. influencers are gonna have huge platforms, they're gonna have millions of followers on Instagram, they're gonna, they're gonna have teams to do all the work for them. And they're gonna have the big fancy photoshoots and everything that goes with it, and the big book deals and everyone's gonna be peering into their lives, and they're gonna show up on page six, those are the influencers. Some people want that. But if you are an expert, you don't need to follow the influencer rules, you need to say I provide luxury interior design services to this kind of person in this location for this price. And then you need to get maybe, I don't know, 1020 clients a year, instead of 10 or 20 million followers who aren't gonna give you any money. Okay, so know what your business model requires.
Michelle Lynne 28:00
I love that. That's, that's some great clarity. That's some great clarity. And we will wrap up with that. I hope everybody who's been listening, actually, we're not going to wrap up. So just just for the record, man, I you know that I love to talk business. But I also like to have fun. So the next segment, I don't think I've prepped you the next segment, rapid fire q&a format. So for the audience, you'll probably have to go back and listen to the first segment, just because there was so much information that I was taking notes to, and that was just fantastic. So thank you for thank you for all of that information. In the meantime, nothing's off the table. Let's see what comes up. Even a little laugh, but it's quite simple. Let's start with something easy coffee or tea? Coffee. Like there's another question. favorite ice cream flavor?
Mike 28:55
Rocky Road? When
Michelle Lynne 28:57
was the last time you laughed? Until you almost paid yourself? Like maybe
Mike 29:02
that's a little that's like at the bounce house level of being? No, uh, two weeks ago, we had some drinks outside at a campfire with some girlfriends.
Michelle Lynne 29:10
Oh, how fun. How many siblings do you have?
Mike 29:14
I have one brother. Yeah.
Michelle Lynne 29:16
And how many children do you have?
Mike 29:17
I have two little boys. Oh, so
Michelle Lynne 29:20
you were just like the only girl all around?
Mike 29:22
Yeah, even my dogs a boy.
Michelle Lynne 29:25
That's okay, you can wear your tiara. Yeah, that's my own choice, too.
Mike 29:28
I keep choosing the boy dogs. I know what I'm getting myself.
Michelle Lynne 29:33
That's funny. Um, what was the last movie you watched? Oh, gosh.
Mike 29:38
I don't know because I've been binging so much TV. I haven't seen a lot of movies, but I just finished binging The Morning Show and Ted last on Apple TV.
Michelle Lynne 29:44
Oh, how was the morning show?
Mike 29:46
Is that the Jennifer Aniston? Yeah, season one is good. Season two is a little bit dicey. Like they haven't quite hit their stride and season two. They clearly had something they were working to for the season one finale and then they're like, oh, we have to do with Season Two. Now. You know, it's
Michelle Lynne 29:59
like But I know that feeling Yeah. Like, what am I going to write for the blog next month? Pretty much red or white wine. Read. If you couldn't be in the profession that you're in now, what would you do? If you'd like to be a
Mike 30:13
chiropractor? Really? Yeah.
Michelle Lynne 30:17
Yeah, yeah, that's it is very interesting. My uncle, my husband's uncle, but my uncle, because he was pretty awesome, was a chiropractor. And it's just amazing how much impact that has on your entire body. I mean, come on, it's your spinal cord. And
Mike 30:32
I think like, when we were kids, it was like, you could either be a doctor or a nurse, no one really talked about the alternative medicine choices that allied health services like maybe I'd be an occupational therapist to that would be pretty cool. You know,
Michelle Lynne 30:44
that would be very cool. Yeah. All sorts of fun stuff. complete opposite of what I ever would have guessed. What genre of music do you listen to? podcasts?
Mike 30:53
I don't I don't know, music. My husband's such a singer. He'll come home and like be singing the popular songs. I was like, Oh, what's this song? He's like, that was the hit of the summer. No idea. Probably rock though, probably like, you know, like classic rock, or probably, you know, anything made between like 1985 and 2005. Probably, like,
Michelle Lynne 31:16
I remember 1985 That is not classic rock.
Mike 31:22
If you go turn on a classic rock station, you'll hear Pearl Jam, and I am uncomfortable with that. It's like, I remember that. I should not be alive for classic rock songs. But that's how it is now. So maybe not classic rock so much as I would say like 90s early lots music. And then once podcasts came out, and I stopped commuting places, I pretty much lost track of all things. That's
Michelle Lynne 31:44
hilarious. That's a new one. Nobody's ever told me that podcast was their favorite genre of music. Nerd. It was that in the spreadsheet that the guy wanted me to. Yeah,
Mike 31:58
yeah, there's, there's nothing cool about me. That
Michelle Lynne 32:01
is too funny. Okay, last question is if you could have dinner with any buddy, who would be the one person that you would invite dead or alive?
Mike 32:12
I don't know why. But Barack Obama was the first one that came to mind. I just feel like he would have so many stories and be really fun.
Michelle Lynne 32:20
As long as he enjoys the red wine. Yeah,
Mike 32:22
of course. Good. Read some Fidel for Yeah, exactly.
Michelle Lynne 32:28
Oh, that's so much fun. Thank you for being on the show. I'm super, super excited to share this with the audience. And I know they've loved everything that you've shared. So how can they find you? Sure.
Mike 32:38
So come on over to love at first search.com. You can also find me on Instagram or YouTube. Those are kind of the two places that I'm hanging out.
Michelle Lynne 32:45
I don't think I found you on Instagram. I need to go back and check my feed. Oh, so much on Instagram.
Mike 32:53
How are you in here? Well, you probably have all the interior design everything that you're following on their SEO on there. It's not nearly
Michelle Lynne 32:59
you have different profiles. So it's just a matter of juggling? Oh, gosh, no, thanks. I know. Yeah. You think you're a nerd. I'm kind of kind of a geek that way we get along. Exactly, exactly. So I will make sure all of your information is listed in the show notes for our audience to reference. And for those of you who can benefit from even more resources surrounding the business of running your interior design business, join my community on Facebook. It's a private group. It's called the interior designers business Launchpad. And I go live there once a week. 15 minutes ish of free training. That's a great community. And I look forward to seeing you there. Oh, and finally, don't forget to leave a review. Wherever you're listening to this podcast. Please just drop a note. Let us know what you like. If you don't like it, just DM me directly. Okay, so
Mike 33:52
five stars only y'all don't go to the reviews to complain about people. That's rude. I'm
Michelle Lynne 33:59
sorry. I love Jesus. But I swear a little bit. Man, thank you so much. It was my pleasure. Thanks
Mike 34:07
so much, Michelle.
Michelle Lynne 34:09
Hey, y'all. If you love the show and find it useful, I would really appreciate it if you would share with your friends and followers. And if you like what you're hearing, want to put a face with the name and get even more business advice. Then join me in my Facebook group. The interior designers business Launchpad. Yeah, I know it's Facebook, but just come on in for the training and then leave without scrolling your feet. It's fine. I promise you'll enjoy it. And finally, I hear it's good for business to get ratings on your podcast. So please drop yours on whatever platform you use to listen to this. We're all about community over competition. So let's work on elevating our industry, one designer at a time. See you next time.
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