Michelle Lynne 0:02
Welcome to design for the creative mind, a podcast for interior designers and creative entrepreneurs to run their business with purpose, efficiency and passion. Because, well, every design is different, the process should remain the same. Prepare yourself for some good conversations with amazing guests, a dash of Jesus and a touch of the woowoo. And probably a swear word or two. If you're ready to stop trading your time for money, and enjoy your interior design business. You are in the right place. I'm your host, Michelle Lynn.
All right, welcome back to the podcast. Everybody. I'm so excited. You're here, I'm really looking forward to introducing you to our guest today. Her name is Erica Reiner. And she is the owner and principal designer of eco method. Is it eco method or eco is eco method eco method interiors. So welcome, Erica, I really am glad you're here.
Erica Reiner 1:05
Thank you so much for having me. Like I said offline have been listening to you all day and feeling all jazzed up about our, you know, alignment and some of the things that took me a little bit longer to figure out that you're teaching and preaching. So I'm so happy to be here. Yay. Yes.
Michelle Lynne 1:20
So So literally, we have an actual interior designer on the podcast, I think you were the first one other than my team, Debbie and Megan. Yay, yes. So I think it's so fun just to have like all of our peers, you know, talking about experiences, what's working well for them, what's not working well, and so forth. Because, you know, I'm such a big advocate of community over competition, like there's enough business here for everybody. And I really love
Erica Reiner 1:46
that I just want to take a second to say that I appreciate that so much. And, you know, it took me a couple years to get into that headspace and to figure it out and kind of do away with the scarcity mindset. But once I did, it was so rewarding. And I started gathering all these really cool, you know, colleagues around me, and I just appreciate that about you. Well, thank
Michelle Lynne 2:09
you. And I think it's been my experience that, you know, originally when I first started my business, there wasn't a lot of people talking to each other. No, I think it's because we're all keeping things so close to the vest. What I've realized is I think nobody knew what they were doing either.
Erica Reiner 2:24
I think you're right. I certainly did not. Especially like, I mean, I don't think they teach much of the business in school anyway. But I'm self taught. And so certainly, I was like, Oh God, this is I can't believe it was crazy. It was like, no idea.
Michelle Lynne 2:42
And we all think it's interior design, it's bound to be pretty easy. Right?
Erica Reiner 2:47
Click and relax and businesses. Yeah, it is not glamorous the way people think that's for sure. No,
Michelle Lynne 2:53
I thought I was a business badass, and I fell flat on my ass. Yeah, so let's talk a little bit about your Ico method. And you've got your own podcast green by design. Like, tell us about what the podcast is about in your in your business? Just how do you dive into and what is the ICO method? Sure.
Erica Reiner 3:19
So yes, I was getting getting approached by a lot of other designers who were saw I was doing something green and wanted to be involved in that in some kind of way or learn about it, or, you know, see what that all looks like. So I started my podcast green by designed for other Home Pros with exactly your kind of mindset community over competition. And you know, trying to be a voice that's going to lead the industry into a little bit of a cleaner and greener place, because it's quite behind the times, so to speak. So that's what that came about. And the ego method kind of, you know, I rebranded from my name to that a couple of years ago, because I was, I was really wanting, I just knew that there were people out there concerned about the things that I was, and I didn't want to keep, like forcing my values onto other people. I wanted to like, have the people that have those values, come find me, and just kind of, you know, niche, and also, you know, be out loud and proud about those values. You know, what I want to achieve and do for my clients? Because I think it's a thing, it's a great thing.
Michelle Lynne 4:29
So let me back up in regards to you were talking about designers coming to you to green things. What were you doing, to promote or to get the attention as a green advocate?
Erica Reiner 4:45
Lord knows, I did try a little of everything. So I'm not a marketing professional, that I certainly learned as much as I could and you know, just in rebranding and my web site itself and the messaging there. My Instagram same thing, even though it's still quite a small following just trying to be educational and get, you know, more people to hang out with me there, you know, doing talks in person, you know, pre pandemic and doing just had my finger in a pot, you know, what's that expression, you had your finger in the pie, a couple different pies. And a few different fingers. And a few different pies are in the cookie jars. Yeah, just trying to get the word out. And you know, shout it from the rooftops.
Michelle Lynne 5:33
So, I know after speaking to like hundreds of interior designers, a lot of times, it's so very scary to niche down into something. So did you find that your market increased or decreased? Once you started to head in this particular niche increased,
Erica Reiner 5:54
and we have a similar story? I think in that when I first started, I wanted to do organizing, yes, design, like landscape design and, and then offer great like ego consulting as a separate entity. So then, that was the first paring down. So then I got rid of everything and decided to combine the eco friendly with the interior design, get rid of everything else. So definitely, I would say increase first, you know, it's hard to parse out what's what because like, first as a factor of just planting those seeds and marketing and you know, working working working to, to build the business and let everyone know, it's here. And then yeah, trying to make sure that the people who are already looking for someone like me can find me. So it's a little bit hard to say, but and I still get into a little bit of a scarcity mindset where I'm like, Oh, am I going to turn off this kind of client that I would really love to work with? Or is there going to be a preconceived barrier to entry. But even I'm just, you know, taking faith that even if there is it can be overcome. And I just think it's gonna get, you know, more and more popular. And then lastly, I again, like it was really important to me to stick to my values, I have just like you a whole previous career, and, but mine happens to be in the environmental field. So it was really a part of my identity. And at that point, I was like, I just can't leave it behind. So I'm just having faith that even with a niche, and it seems to be coming true, that it's going to be nothing but positive. And like they say niche till it hurts.
Michelle Lynne 7:37
Or riches are in the niches. Yeah. Well, that, and I think that will one, it's very unique and interesting. But our planet needs more of that ego values. But it's also so interesting, because one of the things that I teach is that we all have something in us that will benefit our clients, just because we're not classically trained interior designers, because we have completely different and unrelated industry experience. It could be a mom, you could be a teacher, you could be a chemist, you could be a CPA, you could be whatever. And there's always something that you can pull from your experience to move forward. And you've really demonstrated that. I think it's a it's just really reaching and taking, taking the bull by the horns.
Erica Reiner 8:28
Well, thank you. I appreciate that. And certainly if you're a former CPA, you're going to have a leg up on all of us wanting to change it. Yeah. So it was a little bit scary. But I think I don't want to say like our industry is saturated. I don't necessarily think that but I do think it is good to Yeah, lead with your introvert individuality and what makes you you because at the end of the day, you know, like my business coach tells me that's what people are hiring because, you know, yes, it's kind of like it's kind of like dating a little bit. Like, I mean, I haven't dated a million years, but it's a little IOC and that you're kind of matchmaking people with the assumption that like you're, you know, everything else at equal Apples to Apples does, deciding between two designers or whatever. They're really picking you and what you have to bring to the table.
Michelle Lynne 9:29
Yes, because at the end of the day, we can all make beautiful spaces, but it's the experience that we provide and the personality that we bring. It's like be yourself because everybody else is taken.
Erica Reiner 9:42
I'm gonna keep that one. Yeah, that
Michelle Lynne 9:44
it's just so it's such an it's so much easier. I when I first got into the industry, I thought I needed to be all quote unquote, you know, air quotes designers, and that's just not me. I mean, for anybody who's listened to this podcast, you know, I love Jesus and I swear a little bit it, and I'm not conventional. So I was trying to be somebody that I wasn't and it just wasn't comfortable. And I think that the clients or the prospective clients could feel that and therefore I wasn't signing, it goes back to dating, if you're desperate, like that energy, you can feel it
Erica Reiner 10:17
100%. And I think you're a little woowoo, too, and I'm on that woowoo train. It's so all about that subconscious energy and that like imperceptible vibe, it's undeniable, I have found,
Michelle Lynne 10:29
yeah, it's a vibration that you just send out and it comes back to you tenfold. So send out the right, send out the right vibe, exact vibes.
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Erica Reiner 11:33
it is. So I am trying to just educate other home pros about everything soup to nuts about green design. So the human health aspect, which is inextricably linked, I can't believe I pronounced that correctly. But to the to you know, Earth health is very similar. But it doesn't, you can easily get a product that's sustainable, but not say non toxic. So I go over those distinctions. I interview people in the industry vendors certificate, very interesting, like auditors like, like people who work on certifying clean and green products, other green designers and their experiences and their knowledge. So really like a little bit from every part of the industry, the supply side, even a little bit of the demands, like just really everything I could get my hands into to explain a What's green, what's non toxic? How do we get it? Where do we find it? What do I need to know about it? That kind of thing. So it's really for the beginner. I love that.
Michelle Lynne 12:41
So if I was if I was curious and wanted to start taking my business in that direction, or just knowing being more educated about it, I can easily just hop onto your on your wet onto your podcast and listen and learn. Absolutely, yeah, that's the goal. That's very cool. Very, very cool. So anybody here who's thinking, thinking green? Head on over to green by design and listening to Erica and her her genius? Thank you. Yeah, green genius. Fun, fun. So what kind of projects do you work on? Like, what does a green? What like? What the hell is it?
Erica Reiner 13:17
Great question. So I personally love working across sectors. I love my commercial, I love short term rental. And I don't want to give up residential either. So I work across all of that. And you know, it takes a different shape or a different form with those different kinds of projects, which are vastly different. However, the sourcing is where the planning and the sourcing is really where like the green aspect comes into mind. And everything else is pretty stock standard. So I called my business ego method, because I the methodology I use is just looking for ways to weave in alternative healthier, better products into the sourcing aspect. So I am thinking about what is available in the marketplace and thinking about the client's particular needs budget goals, timeline, aesthetic, of course, and I kind of weave that all together into I'm trying to use like an interior design related metaphor. So I'm going with a tapestry weaving it into a tapestry where I'm trying to balance all those criteria. So just like every other designer, there's criteria, right? There's like the budget, the aesthetic, the, you know, lead time, all that kind of stuff, but I just have that one extra layer. And
Michelle Lynne 14:44
so it's not like you're putting recyclable couches in somebody's house. Like can you read it?
Erica Reiner 14:49
With everything, it's everything. So depending on the client's goals, say they're just interested in having a lighter footprint on this earth. And on the other end of the spectrum, let's say they're really really heavily concerned about chemicals and their sensitivities and exposure. So depending on their goals, I will look for products that could meet either or both of those goals. So let's take a table, it's my stock standard example. If they're concerned about, like their dining table, if they're concerned about sustainability and their impact, I would be looking for wood, not necessarily reclaimed, which is like it had a previous life as a barn or something. But salvage, which is new lumber, but it had to be cut down from a tree that was in someone's way, or dangerous or something, and would otherwise be sent to the landfill, sadly. So we're gonna save that tree, use that wood, it's brand new, it's beautiful. It's modern, and it's has a much lighter footprint than importing something made out of, you know, veneers, yeah, overseas, all that kind of sustainability concerns. Now take that same table, and on the human health side of things, those clients are wanting to know what is it stained with and finished with and, you know, even made out of like, is it solid wood versus MDF, which has formaldehyde in it. So we're just looking out for scary chemicals, because there's no one else in the industry or governments here or from overseas, where some things are made looking out. So that's what we're doing, what
Michelle Lynne 16:24
an amazing solution that you provide, and bringing your knowledge and experience. That's something that I think that is oftentimes in the back of people's heads, but they don't necessarily make the effort to make it a priority. It's
Erica Reiner 16:41
really hard. I will say like, you know, just like with other designers in the amount of time and detail it takes to like find out all the information and find the right quality and do the research do the sourcing. It's the like wild wild west out there in terms of ego and non toxic information. So we're really providing a huge, like, just expertise and time saving service.
Michelle Lynne 17:05
Wow, that is that's I don't get speechless very often, oh. It's just one of those areas that it is such a concern. And even more and more and more just from from our poor little globe, and how it's getting so beat up that you're just one household at a time making a difference. Yeah,
Erica Reiner 17:29
and then if I can spread the word to other designers, and then they can, you know, make that difference to their clients more demand for the vendors, which will help all of us. And even, you know, it spreads to the people making things like protecting them a little bit more. So overall, it can only be up from here bringing everyone on board.
Michelle Lynne 17:49
So your clients, you were talking about commercial and residential as well as short term rentals. How are they basically finding you? Is it is it through word of mouth or through your website? Or what do you find works most i
Erica Reiner 18:05
It's a mix. I can say luckily, cuz I am I guess newer to the design game. I went full time in 2018. But spent that whole year totally like flapping around like a dead confused fish. So I don't know my count that year. But I would say you know, I have this year as the first year I had mostly returned clients, and referrals last year and this year, which was so great. Yeah, that's so ideal. And all my you know, new leads do come in typically via a website, where they're a little bit primed and looking for someone like me.
Michelle Lynne 18:46
I love that. So how would you suggest if one of our listeners wanted to go green with their design or their home, like their design business or even their own home? What would what would the first step be other than listening to your podcast?
Erica Reiner 19:01
Okay, check the box. I think you it would be good because a lot of people come to me really overwhelmed. Once they kind of go down this rabbit hole, and then they their eyes are open to how expansive it is on, you know, both sides of that coin, the Earth, the human health thing, and it can feel totally overwhelming. So I would say like, just take some time to like, think about what is important to, you know, what do you really want to achieve in your project? And how, you know, how are you going to be balancing that and prioritizing that with aesthetics and budget like having those things ready to go it's going to make everything go so much smoother, because you're going to have answers to those critical questions. And then then you can take it from there. Once you kind of know what your concerns are. You can start looking up pretty easily you know, like the this solutions that are gonna get you the biggest bang for your buck, so to speak. Gotcha.
Michelle Lynne 20:04
So once you narrow down your priorities, put them in, put them in order, then you can start doing the exploration and finding the solutions. Yes. And I was just like anything else, it's just really, really getting it organized and making sure that your priority is in line with your outcome. Yeah, desired outcome.
Erica Reiner 20:24
And I think with that overwhelm, like, just keeping in mind that you're going to do your best, and it's not going to be perfect. I am an amen to that. Yeah, I'm a strong believer that like, because the nature of us and of this business even is just kind of like, we are going to make an impact, right. So just keep in mind balance, and that we're going to do our very best, but nothing's going to be perfect. I have never done a completely green or completely non toxic project to date. It's always a blend. And so just thinking about where your priorities are even like rooms or types of, you know, case goods versus upholstery, goods, things like that. And, you know, I'm certainly here to guide people along where I think the most important priority should be. But just keeping in mind, once people fall down that rabbit hole, it can be scary. So, you know, just knowing we're going to do our best and relax from there. A little like, you know, like twisted. Yeah,
Michelle Lynne 21:29
ya know, and that's a that's one of the things that I love to teach, like, sometimes Done is better than perfect. And perfection. Is perception. Like what you think is perfect, I might think as flawed. What you think is flawed, I might think is perfect. So it's all just going to be a matter of where, where you're measuring
Erica Reiner 21:49
100%
Michelle Lynne 21:50
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Erica Reiner 22:54
I have seen an increase in that mindset. Thank goodness. I just like you when I first first started like six, seven years ago, I was just like, yes, stonewalled. I didn't even know where to look really. Quite a few years ago, I did my own little designer meetup. And that was fun. And you could just see we were all starving for like, do you do it like this? And like how you bla bla bla, and then what do you do after the such and such? And it was just like, okay, absolutely no one has any idea what they're doing. And because of the nature of the industry, you know, like, there are a lot of different models, business models here. And there are a lot of different, you know, processes and procedures. So getting mine really clear in an order and organized was really, really helpful. And then back to the community thing. I bought the software IV, which was then bought by house. And what he did was they did a really good job creating community and the Facebook group is just on fire that yeah, yes. So I have been so appreciative of brands like that. And then there's other just individuals who have started Facebook groups, I love that you kind of shun on Facebook a little bit, but promote the groups. That's totally how I feel. Yeah, and people are like, Why are you on and I'm like, I just have to get into my design groups. And so just having that has been invaluable, you know, those are tricky to navigate to you have to be like really clear and kind of even set boundaries because some people you know, it's the internet, some people will behave strangely. And want to give you comments that you weren't looking for kind of thing. But it's been hugely more positive than negative for me. And then just I really have taken initiative on that. Like I said, I was in a bit of a scarcity mindset before and I really had to like look that demon in the face and be like, Hey, I am going to push you out of here. So I was really intentional about looking for other green designer Chris and I straight up, emailed them. And I said, Be my friend in the subject line. And I said, This is who I am, you're doing something similar, let's talk about it. Because it's, you know, in a vacuum is so terrifying.
Michelle Lynne 25:13
And nobody understands what we deal with, except for other designers like I have the most supportive husband in the world like, amen. He doesn't understand this. Like, why are you so stressed out about this? Michelle? Well, because we're gonna ruin the whole design with his one pillow. That's not right. I mean, that's an exaggeration. Only other designers understand it.
Erica Reiner 25:37
Yeah. And I have got two, you know, great, green design buddies out of that, that I'm in communication and collaboration, even with regularly. So it's been invaluable to go for
Michelle Lynne 25:51
it like that. Yeah. Because you can pick up the phone and say, Hey, do you have a solution for like, I have, I have a couple of friends here in the Dallas area that I can easily pick up the phone and say, hey, who would you call in this situation? Or I need a even a cabinet maker or something? Because mine just fell off the face of the earth. Yeah.
Erica Reiner 26:08
And then I had our automatically add people in the lineup to interview for my podcast, it was like, Great, okay, cool. And you can always learn, yeah, you're just learning from each other. And I am so glad I sort of, and then once I started practicing, that it became easier, you know, and just doing a lot of that internal work. And there certainly is enough work for us all.
Michelle Lynne 26:30
There's enough internal work for us all, just didn't know, but I love the fact that you you acknowledge that, that voice of scarcity, it's not truth, and you kick that demon out. Because there is it's just like, goes back to dating. There's somebody for everybody. Like, my husband is not perfect, but he's perfect for me. And I'm far from perfect, but I'm perfect for him. And it's just a matter. It's the same thing with designers. You know, we've won some clients and we've lost some clients that are interviewing multiple individuals, multiple writers, and I'm fine with that. I think the ones that you don't get you dodged a bullet. Totally going back to dating. It's like, you know what, that was a Yahoo thing. God, he didn't ask me to marry him. Right. Yeah. Totally makes for protecting me. They're totally Yeah, same thing with clients. Awesome. Well, um, so I love hearing about this. And I'm going to go and socially stalk you and just a little bit and at the end, I'm gonna make sure that you share with our audience how they can reach you. But in the meantime, I want to introduce you to our next segment, which is rapid fire q&a. Just super fun, light and easy so the audience can kind of get to know you a little bit and have a little bit of fun. So nothing's off the table. Are you ready?
Erica Reiner 27:52
I'm ready. Dun dun, dun.
Michelle Lynne 27:53
What's your dream travel destination?
Erica Reiner 27:58
Oh, I said I was ready, didn't I? I'll give you I'll give you a genre. My dream travel destination. I'm constantly looking for warm tropical places that have small, easy longboard waves. I can surf. Oh, very fun. Yeah, that's my life's goal is to chase the warm weather and the warm, small wave.
Michelle Lynne 28:26
So it's not adrenaline filled. It's just very chill. It is for me. You know your limitations. That's
Erica Reiner 28:35
alright. Coffee or tea, coffee, coffee.
Michelle Lynne 28:39
And do you have a consistent morning routine?
Erica Reiner 28:42
I should I would. I try to do some affirmations do some stretches. And I always do drink a lot of water in the morning and then I'll treat myself to either a little bit of coffee or some tea.
Michelle Lynne 28:55
Amen to that. I've got my 100 ounce bottle here. Oh, yeah. It's timed. So it's keeps me very well hydrated and sometimes a little bit out of pocket. So what was the last time you laughed until you almost peed yourself? Regardless of how much water you had?
Erica Reiner 29:12
It was a few weeks ago, my husband and I were watching the show younger. And sadly, I'm not gonna say we're doctors or anything. But we were I was making a little bit of fun of the way she was speaking and I just did this crazy face, you know, when you stick your upper lip lip onto your teeth and it sticks there. So I was doing that and kind of making fun a little bit and he tried to do it and he couldn't do it and the face he was making was so funny. I was crying tears.
Michelle Lynne 29:46
There you go. It's a good one. So what did you want to be when you were growing up? I
Erica Reiner 29:52
wanted to be a choreographer, a dance choreographer.
Michelle Lynne 29:55
Oh, wow. You kind of went a different direction. Yeah.
Erica Reiner 29:59
They say we suffer them. I certainly can cut a mean rug still and I will say that I have taken my rickety body back into dance classes recently and it's been so fun getting back into that joy that childhood joy I cannot recommend like finding what you loved as a kid and getting back into it. And I yeah, I still, I still feel a little sad. I'm not a choreographer, but I'm pretty happy.
Michelle Lynne 30:28
choreographer, you just choreographer choreograph your own your own? Right. That's how it was the last time you took a nap.
Erica Reiner 30:40
You got me with that one? Yeah. I'm not a Napper. Huh. I aspire to become a Napper. Again.
Michelle Lynne 30:50
A number a rapper and a choreographer. There we go. I have no idea where that I
Erica Reiner 30:55
probably took a nap. Okay, I did go on vacation recently. So I think I took a nap. Then I went, I was lucky enough. Actually, I took my business points. I'm very proud of this new business credit card points. And I took my my friends to Hawaii for a week and then my husband to Hawaii for a week and a different island. And I did sneak in a nap there at one point. Ah,
Michelle Lynne 31:19
gotcha. Gotcha, gotcha. Well, I'm a huge advocate of naps. I took one yesterday, and I love to take one today. Well, I also have a three year old who's not sleeping through the night right now because she's going into her big girl bed. So okay, it's I'm even more of an advocate. So if you could have dinner with anybody, who would you invite? Okay,
Erica Reiner 31:39
listeners can't see this. But you can see behind me, there's little frames on the wall back there. And inside of that are little quotes from women who inspire me. And I will tell you who's on the wall, because this is I'm at my dining table, and they're my dime. They're my dinner party guests.
Michelle Lynne 31:56
Gosh, you're you're set for this question. I'm
Erica Reiner 32:00
set for this question. So we've got Rachel Carson, who was kind of the inventor of the environmental movement. She wrote a really pivotal book. It was about the ag industry and the pesticides and stuff like that. I've got, of course, Oprah. I've got Dolly Parton. I've got RBG. I've got Ida B. Wells. And I've got Michelle Obama. And let's see, Jane Fonda. And those are my guests. That is
Michelle Lynne 32:31
so fun. So yes, if you guys could see what I'm seeing right now I see the lovely face of Erica and behind her is like her little bar setup with glasses on some is that kind of wood
Erica Reiner 32:42
is that that is our salvage wood we were talking about. Very cool.
Michelle Lynne 32:46
And underneath that she's got these cute little frames hanging. They're probably what like eight by four.
Erica Reiner 32:52
Even smaller. I think they're like smaller. Yeah, I buy Sixers. Yeah, they're super
Michelle Lynne 32:55
cute. And so it's as part of your decor, but it has a great story to go with it. Okay, so if you could pick only one of those babes. Who would you have to be Oprah? Yeah, she's pretty damn cool.
Erica Reiner 33:10
She's pretty inspirational. And
Michelle Lynne 33:13
she'd have a lot more to talk about. Yeah, I think that would be a very well rounded conversation. How fun? Well, Erica, thank you. I don't think we can top that last question. So I'm just gonna wrap it up. Because you shut it down with the dinner party. Yeah, love it. Love it. Love it. Yes, I know, I know, our audience has loved everything that you've shared, we you as promised. Let them know how and where they can connect with you. Sure,
Erica Reiner 33:41
I'll just give you the one name. It's eco method interiors. So that's the website and my Instagram handle and come say hi at either of those places. Fun,
Michelle Lynne 33:51
fun, fun? Well, I will make sure that those details are listed in the show notes so that our audience can reference them. And then for those of you who can benefit from resources surrounding the business of running your interior design business, join the growing community on my Facebook private group. And yes, Facebook, I know won't last long. But you can just set up a profile and come in like a ninja to the interior designers business Launchpad, and then you can pop out. And don't forget also, if you're wherever you're listening to this podcast, if you would drop in a review, I would really appreciate it. It definitely helps us spread the word. So thanks again. Erica.
Erica Reiner 34:32
Thank you so much. This was so much fun, and I love what you're doing.
Michelle Lynne 34:35
Thank you. Hey, y'all. If you love the show and find it useful, I would really appreciate it if you would share with your friends and followers. And if you like what you're hearing, want to put a face with the name and get even more business advice than join me in my Facebook group. The interior designers business Launchpad. Yeah, I know it's Facebook, but just come on in for the train. And then leave without scrolling your feet. It's fine. I promise you'll enjoy it. And finally, I hear it's good for business to get ratings on your podcasts. So please drop yours on whatever platform you use to listen to this. We're all about community over competition. So let's work on elevating our industry, one designer at a time. See you next time.
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