Michelle Lynne 0:02
Welcome to design for the creative mind, a podcast for interior designers and creative entrepreneurs to run their business with purpose, efficiency and passion. Because, well, every design is different, the process should remain the same. Prepare yourself for some good conversations with amazing guests, a dash of Jesus and a touch of the woowoo. And probably a swear word or two. If you're ready to stop trading your time for money and enjoy your interior design business. You are in the right place. I'm your host, Michelle Lynn.
All right. All right. All right. Welcome back to the podcast. Everyone. I'm so happy you're here today. Because I have Kate all she is the owner and the founder of simple pin media. And we're here to talk about all things Pinterest. So welcome, Kate, thank you so much for being here.
Kate Ahl 1:04
Yeah. Thanks so much for having me. I'm
Michelle Lynne 1:06
excited to chat with you. Oh, my gosh, the Pinterest. This is just one of those. Holy moly. You know, there's, there's, there's so much power behind it. That it's amazing. So let's start from the beginning. Actually, tell us about a little bit about your background and how you got involved in Pinterest. And then we'll talk about what a badass tool Pinterest is perfect.
Kate Ahl 1:29
So I was actually back in 2013, I was doing Facebook marketing for a friend on her site. And I had been doing other blogging things for her. And we were doing a little dabbling in Pinterest kind of trying to get exposure. But Facebook at that time, had business pages who they were unlimited reach, right? So you could post anything, you get all this traffic, well, then they started to change their algorithm and move towards ads. And you Facebook, exactly. You have this group of people saying, Where are we going to go next. And they're starting to hear rumblings about Pinterest, which is three years old at the time, but that people were getting traffic from them. And so we started diving into it kind of started exploring. And then right at the same time, my family was also experiencing crisis post recession. And we couldn't my husband couldn't find a job. Kids, I was on food stamps. And the employment was running out. And my friend who was working for said, Hey, you should manage people's Pinterest pages because they don't know what they're doing. And I was like, that's such a dumb idea. Nobody's ever gonna go for that. She was like, you're poor, you don't have any option. So I said, Okay, I'll try it. So January 2014, I bought the domain, simple pin media. And I got three beta clients and said, I want to learn everything there is to know about managing Pinterest, how it will work for your business, because I knew that their brains were still focused on Facebook, like they couldn't let go quite yet hoping the dream would come back. So I said, I want to figure this out for you. They started getting traffic, they loved it, and said, This has been such a saver for my business told more people, more people, it grew from there. And now we have a big agency and we manage for like 120 clients and all these things. So it's been a crazy story. Did you send that friend a thank you gift? Yeah, she's my best friend. So she takes all the credit for sure. She's like, I saved you. I'll take the credit forever. And yeah, it was such a good idea. Because at the time, nobody knew how to use Pinterest. They were still so confused. And Pinterest was confused. And so I wanted to really distill it down to very simple actionable tips so people wouldn't feel overwhelmed. Okay, so let's
Michelle Lynne 3:38
talk about Pinterest. And like, why is it such a badass tool for business owners? Because back in the day, I was one of those people who's like, I don't know what the heck I'm doing. I'm just pretty, you know, like, I want my closet to look like this. Yeah,
Kate Ahl 3:51
exactly. And that was the hardest leap is a lot of people had used it personally. And they understood how to use it. But how were they to position their own content? Were they supposed to pin it? Share it? How did that look? And one of the things that's been great about Pinterest that's different than everywhere else is that it is a search and discovery platform that people go there to look for ideas, to eventually go to a website to take action. So there's this move off the platform, whether Pinterest likes it or not, we're going to talk about some updates they've made to make that a little bit more impossible. But it's not social like Instagram, where you go on there, and you follow people and you want to know about their life. You go onto Pinterest, because you're really concerned about you. So the joke is, is that pinners don't care about you. They care about what you do or how you can help them or what products you have.
Michelle Lynne 4:41
Interesting. So it's you said it's a search and discover platform. So it's kind of like the Google Yeah. 100%
Kate Ahl 4:49
with images, pretty much that's really the distinguisher in the same frame of mind that people approach Google to find an answer or solution is the same frame of mind that they approach with Pinterest. And the important part is that are they important distinguisher is that when people go to Google, they want an answer right away. When people go to Pinterest there, it's kind of like they're giving themselves three to six months to make a decision. So the person who's getting ready to overhaul their kitchen, they are starting to pin on Pinterest, six to nine months, maybe even before they contact you. They want to gather as many ideas and get their style so that once they decide that you're the designer for them, they roll up with their Pinterest board, and they're like, make this happen, right? Yes,
Michelle Lynne 5:34
that's so true. And that's where we say Go, go pin your inspiration or what it's so much easier to
Kate Ahl 5:41
like, what's in their head? Yes, it's
Michelle Lynne 5:45
a picture's worth 1000 words. And even like, when you do go Google something like, what is the I don't know, farmhouse kitchen look like? Yeah. So many times Pinterest is one of the top results. Yep. And it takes you to that. So you're getting Google juice as well, as you know, Pinterest. Yeah, I don't want to call it Pinterest juice, but
Kate Ahl 6:09
I get right. On Pinterest love. Exactly, exactly.
Michelle Lynne 6:11
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Kate Ahl 7:39
such a great question. So one of the great advantages to designers is that they don't have to do a lot of extra text on their images, their images really tell the story itself. Whereas if you're another content creator that does food or lifestyle, you have to create all these images and put the text overlay. But when it comes to home decor and design, pinners don't really want that it's kind of like in a way a little bit. They're like, I just want to see the room, right? So do infographics and all of that sort of dough. You really don't unless you're doing like a roundup of like 10 Best whites, you know, there's like a million, right, but you you want I definitely have searched for that in the past, like the best white for kitchen cabinets, you can do round ups like that. But if we're talking about showcasing your designs, number one, when it comes to looking at where you're going to market your business is Instagram tends to be people who are warm to you, they've probably heard about you, they're starting to see your design on there. They're really interested in following you and kind of seeing what you're doing. Whereas Pinterest users are totally cold. They're new leads, they don't know anything about you, it's a great place to build your brand and your awareness. So it helps when number one to see them is different. And so you're accomplishing different types of goals. Then if you're using something on Instagram, it is a square which Pinterest doesn't love. They really prefer a vertical a two to three image. But you can repurpose some of that over on Pinterest, as long as you know where you want people to go. So you've to link back to your website, as opposed to just posting a picture like you would. And so
Michelle Lynne 9:20
you're not saying because I don't even know how to do this. If it is a doable thing. So you're not saying to post from it's like to pin your Instagram stuff. You're just sending to take the content that you've already created. Drop it into your website somewhere. Yeah, and then pin it. Exactly.
Kate Ahl 9:37
So I would take it from this point. We all have the hub and the place where we want people to go to learn more about us even if we're using Instagram, you might have a link tree or something like that. So we think of this place first and then the tools that are out there are really helping to drive exposure or help people get more information. So Pinterest is one that drives a lot lot. So whatever you use in your visuals, it's just thinking about as Pinterest is pointing them to a place. So if you have short form videos, even if you're using them for Instagram Stories, actually, here's a great example. We have a person that we've worked with before in our community, she's a designer, she takes pictures inside of homes, just with her phone, just scanning kind of showing all these things, she can upload them to Pinterest as well. And she can direct it back to her website, right a little bit in the pin description takes her 10 minutes or so. And she gets a lot of people asking questions like, Where did you get that sofa? Or how did you design this? Or it piques people's interest? When it comes to like, where should I be where all the things that's going to come down to time management and goals. So a lot of people gravitate towards Instagram, because you get all these engagement feels right? People have liking or they're commenting. But when we think of Pinterest, we think of traffic driving. So what can you do in an hour a week just to repurpose your content and put it over there so that people are starting to see what your designs are like and using you as inspiration? Right? I never
Michelle Lynne 11:11
even thought about the video stuff. So you can even like do a real? Yeah,
Kate Ahl 11:15
we didn't have all this repurpose.
Michelle Lynne 11:17
That's cool. Yeah. And then either you get paid to be that cool. So you can just you can record it to your reel, and then you can download it onto your phone. And then you can upload it to Pinterest. Yep, exactly.
Kate Ahl 11:31
So you're not doing as much work. Jane is doing as much work the other. The other tip that I have for people, and this is something that Pinterest has added that's new, it's called an idea pin. And so you're taking images and you are uploading them. They're kind of like an Instagram story. And you are just showing the process. Let's say you have an in process of a kitchen being built, and you have five pictures, you could show that transformation in an idea pin. And then at the end, it prompts people to follow you, then they come to your website, you know from your first file that is really easy to and it can all be done from your phone. Even if you just did one a week, you're good. That's what Pinterest is prioritizing right now is video and idea pins.
Michelle Lynne 12:17
I feel so far out of the loop. I've just been on Pinterest for ages, ages and ages. And yeah, I went in there the other day for something and I logged in I'm like this doesn't look like it used to.
Kate Ahl 12:32
To that point, which I think is really good before anybody dives into Pinterest marketing, even if you're on it a long time ago, like you or never really spent a whole lot of time I tell people to open their phone and just spend 30 minutes on the platform, just use it like a user. Because then that gives you the frame of reference to how you will use it as a marketer. And if you understand what's on there, what appeals to you, you can use the search bar search anything, search what you design, just to see what competition is on there just playing around.
Michelle Lynne 13:04
Amazing. And also, one thing I do remember from back in the day, is making sure that all of our images on the website are pinnable. Yes, right. Like yes, isn't there like a little plugin or something that you put on the website so that anybody who comes can pin it and save it?
Kate Ahl 13:22
Yes, exactly. This is really important for people. So if they're on Pinterest, and they click on your pin and come to your website, they're still functioning in the app, and there's a Pin It button at the top. But if they're not, and they're coming from Google, you can add plugins, there's one called Grow. There's a few other out there where you can add the pin it button. And design is especially important because people don't want to forget what they saw. Because it's their inspiration. So if you have a pendant button on your website, it makes your marketing easier because people are sharing for you and then people see it.
Michelle Lynne 13:54
And then we should be sharing our own to Yes. Onto our own profile. Correct. So yeah, I think every every image whether it is a blog, or whether it's your portfolio, or even your would you do your profile headshot
Kate Ahl 14:12
no you into your profile headshot so many times I'll come across that and it feels very, like why is this picture up there? I don't really know why. So yeah, don't worry about anything that has to do with
Michelle Lynne 14:21
fashion bloggers. Hey.
Kate Ahl 14:24
But if it's just your headshot, and it's like, Hey, you don't want to you don't want that on Pinterest.
Michelle Lynne 14:29
I mean, people pin in that stuff, right? To funny, Okay, what else? What don't I know to ask you.
Kate Ahl 14:38
Okay, so, I would say number one, I gave a few beginner tips. I'll go through like three of those. So number one, use it for an hour, half hour, just get familiar with it. Number two, set up your Pinterest profile. It should be a business account, which is free. If you just do business.pinterest.com it'll convert a personal account into a business or get it set up, the biggest thing you need to know is that your Pinterest profile really describes who you are and what you do. And it's all about you. So don't worry about pinning other people's stuff, you really want to make it about you. The great advantage I think designers have is this can also be a tool you use with your clients. So let's say you're working with somebody, and you need that inspiration, you can create a group board with this person. And then you can move work together to pin a lot of stuff on your profile. So people can see such and such project, whatever the name it is, and people can watch that unfold. Or maybe you specialize in a particular design like modern farmhouse or whatever you go.
Michelle Lynne 15:43
Public, yeah, because I think we've always done it private. People can kind of follow along. Exactly. This is really reality compared to what to watch on television.
Kate Ahl 15:54
Exactly. And you can even, I would highly encourage you in the name of that board. And even the description to use a lot of descriptor terms about what makes this project unique, if it's the design style, or even the location is also another one that you can do as well. But that Pinterest profile, if I was to come there, I would understand exactly who you are, what you do and what you specialize in. And then I would be able to go to your website from there and learn more. But this is really the hub, that's the place that we want you to get really tightened up before you really do a whole lot of pinning. So they have boards on there with each board, it's titled a very specific title for Pinterest to know what it is it's about, so people can see more of that. So when you create the boards, three to four words, don't do cutesy titles don't do any of that just do modern farmhouse kitchen,
Michelle Lynne 16:50
or I'm gonna have to go back and edit.
Kate Ahl 16:53
A lot of people do, which is why I wanted to hit that point. Because if you started a Pinterest profile ages ago, and let's say you have some recipe boards on there, just go ahead and move those two secrets. And we'll just pretend they were never there. And then it's all about what you do. So don't worry about pinning other people's stuff. That
Michelle Lynne 17:11
is such good advice, because I think you might Yeah, if you guys are listening, don't go look at my Pinterest or any sort of exam.
Kate Ahl 17:21
Yes, you give it, give it a couple of weeks and be like now go look, now check it out. Okay, so after that, I would say once you have your profiles set up, now you can begin to to either create Pinterest images, there's lots of Pinterest templates, you can buy using Canva. There's template packs, if you're not, if that's not your favorite thing to do. So go look for those and then begin to create some images, or even upload images because you don't have to spend too much time creating because you don't need that text overlay, uploading images to the board that closely matches the topic. So we're talking about that modern farmhouse kitchen, upload any pictures of projects you've done and link them back to your website, where maybe you talk more about your modern farmhouse design or something like that. So
Michelle Lynne 18:11
if that's so that's awesome. So you could do a couple different ways. So if you because more often than not, we get as many professional photos as we can. But even if it's not a professional photo, and it's a work in progress, you can still upload that and link it back to maybe a blog of the before and after. Correct, exhorted to a portfolio specific to that, because like we don't have a signature look. Yeah, but if you're looking for a farmhouse kitchen, and we did a farmhouse kitchen or and then there's another modern kitchen, you could pin it to kitchens that I've done as well as modern farmhouse. Exactly, you can pin it to a couple different boards. Yep,
Kate Ahl 18:51
exactly. You can pin it to multiple boards. And even that before and after photo on Pinterest would be a great one to share too. And describing like a little bit more modern farmhouse kitchen reveal, because one of the things that pinners want to know is where do you get the products? What kind of paint did you use? They want to
Michelle Lynne 19:10
know the DLs Oh, my gosh, we get pinged on that all
Kate Ahl 19:15
the time, all the time? Yes. So if you can have posts that they don't have to be long posts, or they can lead to the place where people can get the products, people Pinterest users are like rabid for that kind of stuff. And if they can't find it, they're just like, oh, this is what I want. This is what's in my head. I need to know what color
Michelle Lynne 19:35
Yes, it is. And that's that's a slippery slope sometimes with with us because our clients pay us so much money to get what they get. But there are definitely times where you can just kind of throw out some of those nuggets and it's not going to do a disservice to the clients.
Kate Ahl 19:51
Yes, I have heard that. I do remember reading. It was studio McGee. I think I saw that she was getting all these comments on this particular paint color for cabinet. She's Like, unfortunately, I can't share the color of that paint due to my client work. It was very professional, it was very honest. And it was like, Okay, now at least people know, she's never gonna give away the name of the paint, you know? Yeah,
Michelle Lynne 20:11
bread and butter. But there are some instances where it's like out of here, here's a pure white is a great color La la la la la. But try this that the other two, but on the other hand, I want them to call me and hire me so that I can find the paint that works best for them. Because the lighting is always different in every single room never looks the same,
Kate Ahl 20:27
which there's, there's great tutorials right there. Like if you can educate people to as to what are their greatest questions that they might ask like, how do I pick up paint color? What are you good at? Like if people are always sending you FAQs? Or you know how to answer a question super fast. That's also content you can put onto Pinterest. That
Michelle Lynne 20:47
is amazing. Yeah. Like there's so much that can be done, I can completely understand why people outsource it to you. Yes,
Kate Ahl 20:55
exactly. Like it was for me. I don't want to do it. So you just do it. Yes. And that's
Michelle Lynne 21:01
I teach a lot of that in my interior design business bakery on you know, my one on one clients in my free Facebook group, and so forth. A lot of what I'm talking about is just outsource it. We make money designing. Yeah, we don't make money, like doing the procurement, we don't make money doing Pinterest, like if I can spend an hour on Pinterest rock on. But if I can spend an hour designing that I've got cash coming through, and it takes a while you have to have the cash to outsource but
Kate Ahl 21:28
100% Yeah, so to speak to that, which I think has been really unique is we have worked with designers and one of the hardest things has been really handing over what the content and some of the visuals and all of that have been. And that's been really a huge struggle for them. Because sometimes every single detail, of course, is really important. And I think one of the pieces of advice I would give for somebody handing over Pinterest management, or anything else would be the people who are doing this for you excel in how to get your content in front of the right person in the right way. And even though you have a broad view of your entire brand, the person who's seen it just has one little tiny sliver in that one image. And so it's really important to remember that sometimes it's letting go of the reins just to tie a tiny bit. And allowing that person really to excel from there. Because it's been, I would say that's been one of the things we've learned about interior designers is really how to get them comfortable letting go of that aesthetic a little bit and not worrying too much about it. But just knowing man, people are searching for the terms. They want to see your visuals. And then I want to come and learn more about you. Well,
Michelle Lynne 22:44
and I think it's you know, it's hypocritical if I'm not going to let you do your job. Because I'm hiring you as a professional. It's like clients, you don't micromanage me, you hired me to design your home. It's like I don't great point. I know, I know this shocking, but this isn't my natural hair color. I don't tell I don't tell my my hair chick, what to do with my hair. Like, right, because the end result I want and she works her magic and gets us there. Yeah, so yes, I totally agree. So if y'all are going to outsource, let the professionals do their job, and sit back and reap the benefits. But it's true because I outsource my social media now. For MLW interiors group, I'm about to outsource it for design for the creative mind. And it's been a game changer. I don't have to think about it. I don't have to be good at it. And you know, I look at my feed and it's not as pretty as I would make it. But who gives a shit. I mean, I'm getting traction, I'm getting inquiries, I'm getting a lot more engagement. So get over yourself in the shop. Right?
Kate Ahl 23:49
I love it. That's so good to hear you say and I just I love that because I think when you do hire somebody, their first intent, like you know is to do the best by their client. Like, your lady doesn't want to screw up your hair color she wants, you look amazing. And so it's trusting that process and really letting it unfold, so that we can let your business shine.
Michelle Lynne 24:12
It's what we want our clients to do. Stand back and let the professional do her work.
Kate Ahl 24:16
I can only imagine I'm sure I am sure interior design clients are far worse than you know. Like when they're telling you I don't know.
Michelle Lynne 24:26
There you go. Controls control, especially when it's your own business. I get I get it. I totally get it took me a while to let go. But also finding somebody who can understand that it's hard. So yeah, it's nice to hear that you under you can relate to that. Yep, I get it. Y'all, this podcast episode was made possible in part by foyer, a lightning fast interior design software that creates photorealistic renderings. I'm not kidding, you can barely tell that it's not a real room. So Why don't leave your beautiful designs up to the imagination of your client, when you can show them what their space is going to look like. You will sign more clients and get more approvals with the software. It's powered by artificial intelligence, and a whole vouch for its ease. Because if I can do it, anybody can. Because y'all know that my design team are the ones who do all the work, find [email protected] as well as in the show notes. Yay. All right. So I love to talk about all things business and development related, but you might not know this, I like to have some fun. So this next segment is called Rapid Fire q&a. It's just a format to get to know you a little bit better so that the audience you know, we have a little bit of fun. Yeah. And then nothing's off the table. And then at the end, we will make sure that people know how to get in touch with you. Okay, so, all right. Are you ready? Dun dun dun ready. We'll start off easy left or right handed, right. favorite ice cream flavor.
Kate Ahl 26:09
Like chocolate peanut butter. Oh, god.
Michelle Lynne 26:11
Yeah, that sounds so good. Dream travel destination. Bora Bora. Oh, that sounds fun. Red or white wine.
Kate Ahl 26:19
Oh, read.
Michelle Lynne 26:22
Many reasons that we would get along. Who's your favorite superhero? Hmm. That's okay. That's
Kate Ahl 26:29
my kids. Don't watch it all the time. I have no idea.
Michelle Lynne 26:33
Fair enough. Fair enough. That said just don't answer instead of embarrassing yourself. That's very respectable. What was the last time you laughed so hard? You peed yourself? Oh, gosh.
Kate Ahl 26:46
In I go to Cabo once a year with the mastermind. And we just I feel like it's every day. I'm laughing so hard. I'm paying myself we go to a resort called LeBlanc and it's amazing. So Leblanc. Oh, yes. So it's amazing.
Michelle Lynne 27:02
I would say there every day. That's so fun. That is so fun. And especially since it's work related. Yeah. And I can write an article. That's so fun. All right, beach or mountains. Beach. Well, obviously, you're gonna go to Bora Bora. What did you want to be when you were growing up? A teacher? Oh, really? Interesting that you're still kind of leading people. Oh, dear God,
Kate Ahl 27:26
I know. I'm so glad I don't do that. Now. I have a high schooler.
Michelle Lynne 27:30
I'm very aware. Chocolate chip or oatmeal cookies.
Kate Ahl 27:34
Oh, chocolate chip. cookies or pies. cookies, pies or cake? Okay. Neither.
Michelle Lynne 27:41
Cookies, cookies cookies. Exactly. What is your favorite color? Navy
Kate Ahl 27:48
favorite book? Where the crawdads sing?
Michelle Lynne 27:52
Oh, I listened to that at the beginning of the whole COVID thing. Yeah. So yeah, that was really it took me a while to get through it. But it's because I was exercising while I was
Kate Ahl 28:05
reading physical physical book because I needed like somebody to help me fall asleep and was so good that I like couldn't put it down some nights so I was not sleeping. Well.
Michelle Lynne 28:15
There's something to be said about those physical books. I don't listen to books as well. At all.
Kate Ahl 28:20
Right. All right. Nonfiction are listening books. Oh, that's a valid point.
Michelle Lynne 28:24
Yeah, a little bit easier when you're driving or something. What genre of music do you listen to?
Kate Ahl 28:29
Oh, kind of all over the map. Like Ellie Holcomb. I really like her. She does some Christian contemporary stuff. So I like her. I like sometimes I'll listen to rap with my kids. Sometimes I'll listen to my own kids stuff. I cannot be nailed down with the genre with music which drives everybody around me nuts. Oh, actually, I
Michelle Lynne 28:49
think that's very fun. Yeah, no, it's it's so flexible. And it's I I gravitate towards jazz and Christian. But then I love like, right now. I've been listening to country and then I love like, staying and Norah Jones and then I found this one radio station that's in my car that I cannot figure out how to tag is my favorite. I don't even know what you would call it. It is so much fun. It's like little dance music. So my kid and I are just jamming in the car. Yes, yeah. It's okay. The kindred spirit there with the music. Yeah, either that or just we're both weird, but that's alright. So I'll take that I will take. All right. Okay. Well, thank you, again for being on the show today. Or if I didn't think you'd begin with I should have but I know that some of the tips that you gave are going to be so helpful for our audience. That has just been phenomenal. I love I love doing this podcast because I always learned something. And you were just chock full of information. If somebody wanted to get in touch with you, where can they find you? Besides Bolton
Kate Ahl 29:52
media? Yeah, Pinterest. You can follow what I'm doing there for experimenting. But yeah, simple pin media. We have several places for you to go from services to do it yourself to free guides to our podcast. And we have a few podcasts that we've done about interior designers too. So you can follow up on those by just searching on the website interior design,
Michelle Lynne 30:13
I will definitely check that out as well. Right? Well, then I'll make sure that all of those details are listed in the show notes as well, so that people can just find it if they if they're driving or something. Yeah, don't try to write this down. Um, so for those of you who can benefit from even more resources surrounding the business of running your interior design business, join the growing community on my free Facebook, but private group, it's called the interior designers business Launchpad. And also penciled in November 10, and 12 of 2021. We're having a second annual interior design business success summit in Dallas, Texas. And you can find all of this information at designed for the creative mind. And last, but not least, is please don't forget to leave a review for any of the podcasts that you've enjoyed. We'll see you next time. Hey, y'all, if you love the show and find it useful, I would really appreciate it if you would share with your friends and followers. And if you like what you're hearing, want to put a face with a name and get even more business advice. Then join me in my Facebook group, the interior designers business launch pad. Yeah, I know it's Facebook, but just come on in for the training and then leave without scrolling your feet. It's fun. I promise you'll enjoy it. And finally, I hear it's good for business to get ratings on your podcast. So please drop yours on whatever platform you use to listen to this. We're all about community over competition. So let's work on elevating our industry, one designer at a time. See you next time.
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