Michelle Lynne 0:02
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Welcome back to the podcast everyone. I'm so happy you're here again because today I have Nikki knuckles. Nikki Knuckles is a brand and web design expert who marries innovation and creativity with digital strategy. So she doesn't just make things pretty she makes them work. She leads her team as the founder and creative director of doodle dog creative, and she's the co founder of click and company click and CO both strategic digital agencies. So Nikki has actually helped me with my website, we're in the process of doing one well, depending on when this airs, it might have launched it might not have on the money dragging my feet. But when when the away message is on for Nikki, you can likely find that she's with her husband, two little ones and their giant dog poolside and loving life. Also, Knuckles, Nikki knuckles, it sounds just like knuckles. I'm waiting for you to come after me to hurry up on my website. Pretty soon.
So thanks again for being here, Nikki. Yeah,
Nikki Nuckols 1:46
thank you for having me. Hi,
Michelle Lynne 1:48
I'm so let's dig in. I want to talk a little bit about you. And I met through a mutual friend of ours. And she is now your partner with clicking co so everybody give us Shannon a shout out she's not here today. We're talking strategic when we talk
Nikki Nuckols 2:05
about digital strategy.
Michelle Lynne 2:12
So we met years ago, you redid my website. And now we're in the process of doing it again. And since we originally met, like you have really grown your business and your knowledge about this strategy. Tell me like how did you get started in the business? And how did you continue to grow and expand and what drove you to do so? Yeah,
Nikki Nuckols 2:34
so I started? Well, way back when right out of college, I started on the ad agency agency wavelength and you know, worked for a couple agencies, and did sort of the same thing except for it was more, you know, it was a while ago. So direct mail was still cool. And so I did a lot of direct mail stuff for big box like Best Buy and target and big retailers like that. And it was a great way to get into understanding, you know, creative briefs and how to pull the information from the client and create something from that. And it just wasn't the right fit for me necessarily, because I constantly found myself when I was working on the creative side, wanting to talk to the client. And then when I worked on the account side, I didn't get to work on the creative, you know, so it was always this, like, I got to do one little piece of it, you were in a silo, I was missing something. And so I started freelancing, probably only a year out of college right away started freelancing for different clients and just doing it kind of on the side to be my creative outside of my already creative job. Yeah. So I started doing that and loved it, and then went from having, you know, client or two to five or six. And eventually, I kept setting these parameters for myself, once I hit 10 clients, then I'll leave or once I hit X number of dollars in income, or once it exceeds my exact income, then I'll leave but you know, I kept just pushing that even further and eventually was working around the clock. And at that point, you know, I was only 23 or so. So we
Michelle Lynne 4:17
had the energy back then. Yeah, I
Nikki Nuckols 4:20
had so much energy. I never missed a networking event. And you know, it was a great time to like, dive in headfirst because I had all that energy and free time. But I eventually took the plunge and about a year out from leaving my agency job. I started hiring and it just kind of blew up from there and went really bad. How did you learn the digital side? So I did start learning that in the agency world, but it wasn't actually what I worked on. There were some other people that worked at the agency that were focused on web and they you know, would kind of give me tips and I was just super interested in it. So they kind of walked me through things And I learned a ton in the amount of time that I was there for only being there a couple years. Everything else I taught myself. And when I built the original doodle dog site, it was really more for design only, you know, I was doing all brand design all collateral. I wasn't really selling websites at first. So I was teaching myself everything as I went and hiring developers on my team, since my strong suit was the design, you know, they always say hire for your weaknesses. So that's where I started bringing people in. And now 1213 years later, it's we've probably done four or 500 sites and that time, and it's just been, you know, you learn something new on every single one. And yeah, it's
Michelle Lynne 5:43
like a design project there. Yeah. There's something that you didn't know you needed to know. Yes,
Nikki Nuckols 5:47
yeah. And so there's always just a reason for everything. And it's, and Web and Digital changes so often, anyway, that it's like, you know, what I learned 12 years ago doesn't even apply anymore? No, makes sense. Yeah. So it's just something that it's constantly just keep up with, you know? Yeah.
Michelle Lynne 6:04
So so how did you go from the branding and the pretty parts of the website to and let's, let's actually, let's back up a little bit. What is a digital strategy?
Nikki Nuckols 6:15
So digital strategy is essentially how you're taking your brand and pushing it to the audience that you want it to reach? So how do you connect with them? Whether that's through social media or your website, or any other platform? And how do you tie it all together? Because everybody has content to say, I think that's the biggest difference between just posting things and having a strategy is tying it all together and creating some sort of plan that you have, so that you're not just constantly spinning your wheels.
Michelle Lynne 6:47
And they're done that got my T shirt. Me too. Definitely. So so how do you come up with a digital strategy? You call it a campaign?
Nikki Nuckols 6:58
Yeah, most of the time. And I think it starts to step back, you know, before we really do like the campaigns, we have to think about that way back with the brand anymore, because no business is just a business offline anymore. You know, everybody has something to do with online. So even when we're going all the way until like the visual identity like logo, business cards, collateral materials, we're already thinking, how does this logo work as a mark that fits in a tiny little circle icon space on Instagram? You know, so there's more thoughts that go into the visual identity? And then once that's all set, it's about consistency. You know, how can we take that and make it consistent from this print piece all the way to the Instagram post that post on Thursday?
Michelle Lynne 7:43
Yes, and I think that that is so for me once I got my arms around. And I call it working efficiently lazy. So you can create one piece of content, and you can push it out in a variety of different places. So you've got your blog, and then you've got your Instagram. And then you can do your stories. And if you have a YouTube channel, you could do something along that line. So there's so many different ways that you can take one piece and repurpose it.
Nikki Nuckols 8:10
Yes, I feel like a broken record because I'm constantly telling people that and even with our own stuff for doodle, Diane for click, you know, I'm always like, this might be something that we used for one tiny piece on a newsletter, an email newsletter, but it should also link into the blog and have that direct access point back to your site. And like you said, Instagram, everything Facebook, Pinterest, every interest,
Michelle Lynne 8:35
oh my gosh, Pinterest has gotten crazy. Pinterest is
Nikki Nuckols 8:38
huge. Whenever we do a campaign, I would say we focus like Instagram, Pinterest, Facebook, still, depending on the demographic gets us a lot if we buy it, you know, but I mean, that's kind of the bottom line anymore is most of that kind of stuff is paid to reach the audience.
Michelle Lynne 8:53
Ours is ours as well on Facebook, and actually not for a military use group. But for the design for the creative mine.
Nikki Nuckols 9:00
Right. And so good. So a lot of times it's so much more beneficial than what you spend other ad dollars on.
Michelle Lynne 9:07
Yeah, definitely, definitely. Um, well, so let's say you get this wheel going in, you know, like, you've got this train that's just chugging along, you've got your blog posts going on, you've got your social media posts pointing back to your blog, and maybe like you said, your newsletters pointing to the blog, and everything's driving back to your website. How do you measure the effectiveness of that? Like, how do I know what's working?
Nikki Nuckols 9:33
Yes. So that's probably that's definitely one of the biggest mistakes I see is people don't measure it. So Google Analytics, that's the easiest way to measure things. It's free, just setting up an account on there and tying that into your website and then actually looking at it so I think that's the key is actually looking at it as well. And I know it's super overwhelming because a lot of people do log in and when we start working with somebody that says Want more traffic? You know, that's always my first question, can I see your analytics because you might have traffic coming in, maybe it's the wrong traffic, maybe they're getting They're leaving. Like, we have to know what that traffic's doing, or we don't know what's working. And I feel like everyone's so set on this obsession with Instagram, that they put all of their eggs into that basket by default. And it you know, it works wonderful for some people. But for some people, it's not the right solution. So knowing what works and what doesn't work just by looking at it and saying, here's where my traffic's coming from. And if the traffic's coming from there, for instance, Pinterest does this a lot. It brings a lot of traffic in for people, but it's not always the qualified traffic, that's convert, right?
Michelle Lynne 10:43
Because they could be the DIY errs on Pinterest that are coming to your website to read your blog to learn how to do it themselves and not to hire you,
Nikki Nuckols 10:50
or, or other designers who are just inspired by it and kind of want to go look at some more pictures. Oh, yeah. You know, I think it's great to build that traffic, your site looks more popular, but you do have to know like, is this traffic
Michelle Lynne 11:04
beneficial to me? Are they going to convert? And we also, I encourage, like all of my clients, make sure one of the first questions you ask when you get a phone call is how did you find me? Yes,
Nikki Nuckols 11:14
because a contact form like that. So yes, yes, I'll tell you.
Michelle Lynne 11:20
Pretty much. And I think it's also what I'm what I've seen is that it might be the last place they saw me was on Instagram. So that's what they remember. And that's what they tell me. But they might have seen me in two or three other places before that. So it's not all eggs in that basket. But we do get a lot of people that say, Hey, I'm calling you from Instagram, a couple that never even went to the website. Yes. That's
Nikki Nuckols 11:48
the latest in that is that it's like five to eight times is the average time somebody sees your brand and interacts with it before they actually do something. Yes.
Michelle Lynne 11:56
And that's up from like, when back when I was in sales in corporate, it was like four to five times. And now people just are so overwhelmed and so bombarded with information that it takes a little bit more work
Nikki Nuckols 12:11
and the amount of time they're actually seeing you you know, when they scroll think it's like a split second of like your brand flashing by? Yes. Yes, exactly. flashes.
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So what is the favorite? What is the favorite aspect of what you do? Like what is your favorite part of your job?
Nikki Nuckols 13:17
I love seeing a new brand launch. That's I mean, to me that there's nothing better. It's just exciting for somebody to have like this huge goal and this plan in mind. And they don't know how to necessarily like organize everything. To make it a business. You know what I mean? It's like they have a plan. But how do they tell people about that plan? And they're all over the place. So I feel like that's where, when they come you know, that's where we start talking, like strategy and creative and how does this all fit into, like, an experience for somebody?
Michelle Lynne 13:49
I think that's a great word to use is it's an experience. It's not just a social square, or it's not just a website,
Nikki Nuckols 13:57
right? Yeah, what do they how do they feel when they look at it? And I just love like, seeing somebody launch and I love the emails that we'll get that say, like, just booked two new clients or whatever, you know, it's just exciting to see that come to life for them.
Michelle Lynne 14:10
I love that. And I think I share that passion of the the younger businesses that are just like really starting to grow and find their find their space. Yeah. And that's, that's really fun. That's really fun. Although working with working with people who've been established for a little while and continuing to polish their business is always fun also. So that's
Nikki Nuckols 14:30
definitely and I think that's a whole different I feel like we go into that completely different, you know, with like a blank slate. I'm first similar to you. It's Oh,
Michelle Lynne 14:39
yeah. The first time we work together, it was like, I don't know, I was coming off of some other random platform. Right?
Nikki Nuckols 14:46
Yeah, you go into it. And you're like, this is round one, you know of like, launch the business. And then people are just like you they hit that like, I feel like there's always the launch phase and then there's like the five to seven year stretch, where they're less I'm like But now I'm actually going to make some money. Like I can invest. And then there's like, advanced and they've refined their message and their demographic, and they just need help communicating that. So it's depends on where they're at. But it's still like the end result of seeing it come to life. Yes, the exciting part.
Michelle Lynne 15:18
As a designer, it's the same thing. It's like seeing this room come to life, you have all of these components that you pull together, and you have to measure and ensure that they're the right scale, the right dimensions, the right everything for you, and then when it's done, and you see this beautiful photo of it, or even you just walk into the room was like, Oh, I did that. Yeah. You're changing people's lives to
Nikki Nuckols 15:39
Well, that sounds very in depth for you know, Brandon Webb, but
Michelle Lynne 15:44
I'll tell you, it definitely, I'm looking forward to see what we create together on this next iteration of my website. So you all depending on when you're watching this, or when you're living your life by then. My bad, not my bad. So getting back to digital strategy, instead of throwing myself under the bus for being late on my deadlines. What would you say the most important parts are of that digital strategy?
Nikki Nuckols 16:13
Well, um, so some of these, we've already talked about having the plan for sure. And that plan has to be not just like, on Tuesdays, we post this and on Wednesdays, we post this, the plan has to be why we're posting it and like what that does to add value to your business and increase your expertise. You know, like, what is it? What is the plan? Are we trying to establish you as the expert in an area? Are we trying to just get more eyes on your brand and show our show portfolio like we need a plan and a way to get there?
Michelle Lynne 16:46
Beyond people won't buy from somebody that they don't know, like and trust. So you have to they have to know who you are nowaday and that your personality has to shine. And then you think there's no doubt that you have to show up as the expert.
Nikki Nuckols 17:00
Right? Yeah, I think that's huge people. There's so many options. And you know, everybody's at everybody's fingertips now. There's no, there's no, especially after the last year, there's no barrier, you know, and depending on what your perception is, when people see you online, you can make yourself as a business. Look, however you want to look, yeah, and
Michelle Lynne 17:23
they're just like the Kardashians make themselves look, however they want to look online.
Nikki Nuckols 17:30
Everyone's a Kardashian.
Michelle Lynne 17:31
Just a little Photoshop here and there.
Nikki Nuckols 17:35
I think that's the biggest thing. And you know, like, some people, I feel like they're just trying, okay, we we've read this article that says we're supposed to post five times per week. So they're just like, push, push, push, push, push. And there's no reasoning behind that. And then there's no engagement to back that up. And this is, that's probably the biggest thing is if people don't see that you're interacting and providing value. I feel like you're kind of a used car salesman. You know, that's
Michelle Lynne 18:01
a Yeah, that's a valid point. So what would you say to the designer who's like a solopreneur? Trying to do at all doesn't have the resources yet to outsource their social media or their digital strategy? Like, what? Is there a couple of things that you would advise them on just to like, at the bare minimum, this is what you should be doing? Make some money and then outsource it?
Nikki Nuckols 18:23
Yes, I know, everything says post, post, post post post, I would much prefer like quantity post or quality post over quantity post anyway. So quality over quantity, quality over quantity, and then use these resources that are easy for us like schedulers. Nobody's sitting back there. Amen. Yeah, nobody's sitting there every Wednesday, because they know that's their highest traffic day and posting right at 11 o'clock, or whatever time their traffic day is, you know, use later or any of those schedulers out there that let you do that, then you can even there's some out there that will repost for you, you know, so repurpose your content, even if it's a different graphic that promotes to the same content piece, repurpose and reuse it.
Michelle Lynne 19:11
Well, that and also using, you don't have to have brand new photos, every single post, right? If you go back and look at some of the giants like mageean company wikiHow, they reuse some of their most popular images, like every four to five weeks, and
Nikki Nuckols 19:29
they recrop things and just use different angles of the same shot and say, I mean, if you look at a lot of people the captions to or what eat out a lot of time I feel like so if you find a caption that gets a good response, or good hashtags that get good responses, you know, you can save those in later or any of the apps that you're using to schedule your content and just slightly tweak it. So, you know, I know what I'm gonna feel salesy. but there's also some sort of like,
Michelle Lynne 20:01
there's FOMO we're in sight. We're in business. So we're always in sales. Right? There's
Nikki Nuckols 20:06
gotta be some like breaking point it you can't spend all your time doing social media. So, yeah, do what works for you and and get what you need out there. But at the flip side, it's not what you can you don't make money off of it. So you you better be doing the business part if you're a solopreneur. Yes.
Michelle Lynne 20:25
And I think that that planning ahead is huge. It's one of the things that I'm a huge advocate of is like, I have my social media posts planned out 10 days in advance. Yeah, if you
Nikki Nuckols 20:36
and I don't guilty of this, because if you see ours, I'll do like, three months at a time. And like, looks really good for a while.
Michelle Lynne 20:45
And then three months expires.
Nikki Nuckols 20:48
There's like, 30 days in there where I'm like, I just got a little busy.
Michelle Lynne 20:52
You know what, it's like the cobblers kids. They're the last ones to have shoes. Designers are the last ones to get their houses done. So yeah.
Nikki Nuckols 20:59
I don't think I've updated our own websites for
Michelle Lynne 21:04
I hear Yeah, I hear you My house is sorely lacking right now.
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So what would you say? Maybe we've already covered this, but beyond getting traffic to the website. What else would you be thinking about in terms of a digital strategy? Oh,
Nikki Nuckols 22:08
so that's big. I think the biggest thing is everybody thinks that digital strategy is how to get customers to their website, which is an obvious component, right? But there's so much more now. And there's different things you can do, like the digital strategy strategy should also encompass what happens once they're there. What happens after they've filled in the contact form? Do they get you know, automated messages? Do they get responses? Do they get a direction to go somewhere else on your site or connect with you on social media? What happens after they sign the contract? You know, all of this should be parts of your strategy, even down to when the process is over? Do they get something that says like how to review you? Or did they have a good experience? Or who can they refer to you? So
Michelle Lynne 22:55
right, right, right, right, just keeping that current keeping in touch with them after the fact. Yeah, and
Nikki Nuckols 23:00
there's lots of programs that you can, you know, use to do some of that stuff. So it's not, especially for smaller businesses, it's not something you have to create custom. We can be created custom. But there's a lot of things out there that will do it for you, too. You just have to that's
Michelle Lynne 23:14
have to have I think we use Active Campaign, and we can trigger it with dates and give them a series and things like that. Yeah, yeah. And there might be something to review, that might be something you and I need to review, when we get to the end of the website development,
Nikki Nuckols 23:28
we're actually switching about, I don't know, five years ago, or so we built something into our site, completely custom. It had everything, you know, it was like as soon as a customer became a customer, they basically followed, it was like the journey of that client. And it all worked through our website, automated messages, loyalty campaigns for three months, post launch, six months, 12 months, all of that we built in, well, and then that became this huge market of software that does all that for you. So it's actually more affordable for us to maintain that through programs now. And what's built, then doing it custom. So we're converting a lot of stuff right now. But that kind of stuff is important too. And I think people kind of forget that. It can be done for you.
Michelle Lynne 24:12
Well, that and I think it's also a once you're done with the project, you don't want to be a distant memory.
Nikki Nuckols 24:19
Right? In my world, you know, people don't, once their site's up and launch and beautiful. And I'm sure this is similar with design. They don't want to touch it for a while, you know, and then it's like, a year later, they're like, I have all these new galleries and I have new stuff and my prices have changed in my market slightly different. And then they're like, how did you know what do I need to do to update all this stuff? And even though we've walked them through and done a tutorial and said how you do it, a lot of people don't want to know yeah, that's that would be me. And so people that we send, you know, for instance, like that, one year after their launch, they get that email that says like, now the dust has settled. What can we take off your plate? Well So, you know, just that kind of stuff just to keep the message going. And I think that works in any industry. You're
Michelle Lynne 25:05
absolutely I love that. Like, what's next? Yeah, yeah. And it's always be selling. Yeah. And as a as a solopreneur. As an entrepreneur as a small business. It's not smarmy. It's just a necessity of being in business. Right. All right. So last question before we started having a little bit of fun. Not that this isn't fun, just what are the what would you say are the most common mistakes that small businesses make when it comes to digital strategy? I
Nikki Nuckols 25:38
think the measuring part is the biggest mistake people forget to measure what's working and spend a ton of money on things that aren't working. But then I think once they're hooked that kind of what we just talked about, I think once they're hooked, and you've gotten them this far, they're on your website, dropping the ball. And you know, that's that goes down to once I've gotten them there. That's, you know, how fast is your website load and like thinking of the things that changes the experience for somebody, I think people forget that part of it, too. That
Michelle Lynne 26:07
makes sense. Because I'm so that's something to keep in mind that I learned that's related to this is when you have professional photographs taken, you need to not upload the high resolution, upload the website, I was so glad you learned that. I didn't know that I was like so for the listeners. I was loading these like giant photographs onto my website thinking I needed the high resolution because it'd be a pretty picture. And then I call Nick and I'm like, my thing through my slow. Yeah, no, that's huge. And designers are the most guilty at this. Because we like the pretty pictures. We like the pretty pictures and the photographer gives them to you. And you're like, well, these clearly look better. So I had no idea. That's the only ones that I was getting for a while I had to learn how to ask. So y'all asked for the web size? Not the high res asked for both, actually. But upload the websites. That's why they're called websites, da
Nikki Nuckols 27:11
Yes, well, or they'll a lot of people call them a lot of photographers, cinemas social media size now. So either way, they're low resolution photos, there we go, like 72 to 150 dpi, and whatever that means. So in the photographer, if they don't give you it right away, all you have to do is ask for websites, and they will they can do it in a matter of minutes. And it saves you a lot of effort.
Michelle Lynne 27:33
Yes, because I was spending all sorts of time converting mine smaller. Yes. What a web. What a web. All right. All right. So here's what we're gonna do next, Nikki. Okay. I love to talk about all things business. But I also like to have a little bit of fun. So the next segment is a rapid fire q&a. It's just a format to get to know you a little bit better for the audience. Nothing's off the table. So get ready. Okay. All right, um, chocolate chip or oatmeal cookies. Oatmeal, red or white wine.
Nikki Nuckols 28:07
Red.
Michelle Lynne 28:08
Do you have a constant morning routine? A consistent morning routine?
Nikki Nuckols 28:11
Yes. But it sounds crazy to most people to get 445 in the morning and I like to get my workout in before anybody wakes up in my house. And then I get my kids off to school. And once they leave then I'm like 100% Work Mode until it's done. So I like to like section off my life and my day one job at a time.
Michelle Lynne 28:37
That makes sense. And getting that workout in once the kids are awake is completely not gonna happen. Oh,
Nikki Nuckols 28:42
then they're in there and it's just not the same vibe.
Michelle Lynne 28:47
Don't watch me. Look at me. I'm just like a kid. But don't look at me. All right, what was the last movie you watched? Oh, gosh.
Nikki Nuckols 28:58
Um, this is bad. Tom and Jerry. The kids movie.
Michelle Lynne 29:05
Speaking of children, there we go. Yeah, I
Nikki Nuckols 29:07
don't think I've watched an adult movie in a while.
Michelle Lynne 29:10
What is your favorite color? Blue, introvert or extrovert?
Nikki Nuckols 29:14
I feel like I'm a mix. I like it once I'm there. But it takes me a while to like, want to go there.
Michelle Lynne 29:22
I can appreciate that cake or pie.
Nikki Nuckols 29:24
Cake.
Michelle Lynne 29:25
What kind of music do you listen to? What's your favorite genre?
Speaker 1 29:27
Oh, man. I like a lot of music. I like like indie rock. I like classic rock. I like a little reggae when I'm in the pool. I like anything really listen to any workout. Oh, all of a sudden I'm a whole different person. And I like to listen to like hard stuff. Also why the kids can't go in there. That is hilarious.
Michelle Lynne 29:51
A little intense. Yeah,
Nikki Nuckols 29:53
it depends on who my peloton Person of the day is. But you know, are you on the peloton? I love some peloton Uh oh,
Michelle Lynne 30:00
I got one in November. No. Member. Yeah, I just actually I just hit my, my century mark for strength. Oh, good.
Nikki Nuckols 30:09
I don't do the strength ones very often I should I do I love
Michelle Lynne 30:12
it. But I love them. What is your what is your handle?
Nikki Nuckols 30:15
I Nick Enoch. Oh,
Michelle Lynne 30:18
I'll have to look you up Nikki. You'll watch today. Yeah. You'll see me. Just don't judge me. Just do not get in and look at my workouts and judge me people. Everyone looks. That's funny. All right. Well, Nikki, is there anything else that we haven't covered? I don't think so. Okay, well, thank you for being here today. I know our audience has loved everything you've shared. Do want to tell them how they can find you.
Nikki Nuckols 30:45
Sure. Um, so on the doodle dog side, it's doodle dog.com. And our Instagram is doodle dog Insta. On the click and CO side it's clicking co.co not.com. And Instagram is just clicking Co.
Michelle Lynne 31:01
That's perfect. And what is the difference between doodle dog and clicking cow? Because I know you're partners with Shannon for clicking cow.
Nikki Nuckols 31:07
Yeah, yeah. So well, doodle dog was the original. And like I said, I feel like it really focuses a lot on small businesses, startups, people who are really just kind of getting in that mindset and need the assistance to figure it all out, you know, get it together, click and go. I would say we work with more advanced businesses, people who are more in that like five plus years stretch, there are new businesses to but people who are really refining their message. I think we go a little more in depth there in terms of here's your brand and web launch. But a lot of times we're working with people on, you know, more of like that PR social digital campaign and how to keep
Michelle Lynne 31:46
Yeah, that makes sense. That makes perfect sense. Thank you for explaining for those who are not familiar with you. All right, well, I will make sure that your details as well as your extended bio is in the show notes for our audience to reference. And then for those of you who can benefit from even more resources surrounding the business of running your interior design business, join the growing community on Facebook on my Facebook's private group. It's called the interior designers business Launchpad. And then also wherever you're listening to this podcast, I think Apple is now making you follow. But please subscribe. And don't forget to leave a review. And I will see you in the next next podcast.
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